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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 2, 2011 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

The title asks it all. Looking for epic morning dews pre 1972. Also would love to find great dews after Brent.

Thanks good peeps

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jun 3, 2011 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

Epic? Look no further than 8/6/71. Official release as a Road Trips and as part of DP 35. Probably second behind 6/18/74 for me. Unreal.






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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jun 3, 2011 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

I've always loved the one from 6/6/70:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-06-06.sbd.miller.86951.sbeok.flac16

Short and fast, sounds slightly possessed. I love it.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 2, 2011 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Epic Pre-1972 Morning Dews

Well, I always had a soft spot for 5/2/70... And I second the recommendation for 4/28/71.

But of course two early Dews came to mind that are far from epic, because the power cut off! 8/24/68 is one where it was an encore and they got the plug pulled in the middle of Dew - Jerry says, "Got turned off once again!"
Then it happened again on 5/10/69; their power dies in the climax. Bobby says, "Well what the fuck!" And Jerry explains, "That's what happens when you play too loud. That's what happens when you're having a good time..."

And while we're into Dew trivia, did you know the Dead played China Cat>Morning Dew a couple times? It's true! 6/13/69 and 6/21/69...at the Fillmore show the audience all clap once Dew appears since it's finally a song they know... Aoxomoxoa had come out the previous day, so you can imagine anyone hearing it thinking the Dead were some weird spacy outfit, then they came to the Fillmore and got Green Grass of Home with pedal steel....

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 2, 2011 11:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Epic Pre-1972 Morning Dews

There's an early one where the power cuts off and they finish it a capella. Which one am I thinking of? (Or did I confuse it with something else? Always possible!)

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 3, 2011 2:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Epic Pre-1972 Morning Dews

Well, you confused it with the 4/6/69 Viola Lee; but it's a nice thought anyway, Jerry finishing Morning Dew a cappella...

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Poster: James Of Tucson Date: Jul 7, 2011 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Epic Pre-1972 Morning Dews

There are two Morning Dews that stick in my mind. One is, despite another post to the contrary, is the end of some show where the venue pulls the plug on the band. It sounds like not just a case of a power failure or whatever, I think the band is getting cut off for going over time or something like that. There's another Morning Dew where you can hear a heated argument at the end; it really sounds like a fight, but it's hard to tell if it's in the audience or on stage.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 3, 2011 11:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Epic Pre-1972 Morning Dews

You're right as usual :-)

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jun 3, 2011 5:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Epic Pre-1972 Morning Dews

I believe it's from the 2nd Vault release, 8/24/68. A good one nonetheless.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 2, 2011 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

4/13/69 - a masterpiece in miniature.

the jam out of this dew is spectacular imho, Garcia starts from a whisper with some beautiful notes, and it builds to a roaring climax.

i second the rec for 5/23/69. also recommended are Dick's Picks vol 22, 11/22/68(aud), 2/21/69 (bad sound but well worth the listen), and 4/22/69 for some more awesome early Dews.

Obviously '72-'74 (esp '73-'74) Dews are the best, but i just love these early ones for their ferocity.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 3, 2011 6:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews - 11/22/68

I'm glad someone mentioned 11/22/68, the version Phil talked about in Searching for the Sound...

"We tune up the guitars, the drummers rattle off paradiddles, and Jerry counts into 'Morning Dew.' I know from the first chord that it's going to be a good night, in spite of the feedback from the PA. Jerry is on fire, his guitar snarling and caressing at the same time. The drummers are crunching out the groove as if their lives depended on it - mickey gesturing after each backbeat, and billy grimly holding the groove close to home. The tune builds to its harrowing climax; Jerry screams out the final line - 'I guess it doesn't matter anyway' - and we hammer home the final chords."

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-11-22.aud.cotsman.10088.sbeok.shnf

EQ the crap out of this recording and give it a listen sometime. You won't be disappointed.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 3, 2011 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews - 11/22/68

Do any better recordings exist?

It has some wacky sounds coming out from Tom? Bob? Jer?

Thanks again

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 3, 2011 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews - 11/22/68

Please tell me there are better recordings! this stuff is hot, and i would love to get a better listen at mickey's work. Even the feedback adds a cool element.

Or anyone know of a show with just mickey on the drums?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 3, 2011 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews - 11/22/68

It's weird how Phil specifically mentions Billy, since he wasn't there. If you listen, you can hear pretty clearly that he's not playing. There is also some confusion about whether this or the next show in Athens, Ohio, was TC's first show. I swear I hear some keyboard parts on 11/22 that sound kind of sophisticated for Pig.

As for sound quality, this is the only copy I've ever seen/heard. Like I said, if you EQ it enough, and listen through a normal system (I would not recommend headphones), then this is a very enjoyable show.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 3, 2011 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews - 11/22/68

could you suggest an "EQ" system?

I dont have any on my computer, nor any previous experience with them.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 3, 2011 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews - 11/22/68

I use Windows Media Player for Archive.org and SugarMegs.org streaming.

Right-click anywhere on the WM player.
Look for "enhancements".
Look for "equalizer" in the enhancements sub-menu.

If you don't have "real" speakers hooked to your computer: GET SOME!! You will love it. I got these last month and love them. 60 bucks and change.
http://www.amazon.com/Altec-Lansing-VS4621-Computer-Speaker/dp/B0038W0NEU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&;qid=1307141060&sr=8-6

At home, I have some AL's that are now almost 15 years. They have been moved, and dropped, numerous times with no ill effect. And, when I stick them in the open window and crank my Dew or Skynyrd, I can almost hear my Asian neighbor say, "Damn wednecks" behind his privacy fence.

TOOTMO

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 2, 2011 9:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

Here are two you might enjoy.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-03-29.sbd.vinson.1764.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-04-12.sbd.cotsman.14914.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jun 2, 2011 10:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

Anything else?

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 2, 2011 10:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

vry nice, thx!!

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Poster: N Hoey Date: Jun 3, 2011 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the version from 11/8/70. I consider that one to be epic. Check it out.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 3, 2011 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

that was a very good one, pretty long for an early one. Thanks! Thankfully the sound got better a few minutes in.

I've been listening to a lot of early stuff today and the poor sound quality has been... well i guess just saddening knowing there likely arent any SBDs of those shows.

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Poster: N Hoey Date: Jun 3, 2011 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

Which source did you listen to? Hopefully this one: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-11-08.aud.lee.pcrp.26975.shnf

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 3, 2011 4:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

it wasnt that one. Much better! thanks again

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Poster: N Hoey Date: Jun 3, 2011 9:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

I particularly like the sound of this aud and this venue. Also the sound of the band, the guitars are all Gibsons. Jerry is on that SG he used most of the time from early '69 to early '70, his tones are awesome. Phil is on his EB-3 and Bob has his 335 or 345(not sure which). Then there is Jerry's voice; 1970 is when it is at it's peak. American Beauty was released in Nov 70 but I can't find a date. It just didn't get better than this era, only different. This show has to be among the top 5 or 10 GD shows that ever happened.

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Poster: snori Date: Jun 3, 2011 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

Completely outside the criteria, but I'm a bit evangelical about this passionate Dew .... http://www.archive.org/details/gd80-10-14.sbd-aud.gardner.3828.sbeok.shnf See what you think.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 3, 2011 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews



Thanks Everyone!!!

Got some great dialogue going on

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 3, 2011 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

Whoa there, Dairy Boy: we ain't done yet.

When you say "epic" if you mean "long" then go ahead with what was suggested. BUT, if by "epic" you mean "outfuckinstanding" then you need to travel a little farther back.
For example:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-11-10.sbd.sacks.1612.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-01-17.sbd.cotsman.11795.shnf

And my favorite:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-10-22.sbd.yerys.1525.shnf

Enjoy,
TOOTMO

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 3, 2011 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

haha. thanks for the suggestion, and new nick name

A quality dew from 67 eh? I can say i've probably heard less than 2 hours of 67 dead in my days.

By epic i mean just what you said. outfuckingstanding. Most that i know of are early 70's. And a few stragglers in 85, 86, 87, 89, 92 etc.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 3, 2011 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

Well, the 1967-10-22 Dew just finished and I think I am going to let it ride right into New Potato Caboose---wooofuckinhoo! I've got a few more things to do at the office before I go so I'll probably even get the CE>TOO>CE in before calling it a weekend.

As I said recently, this show was the one that made me realize why pathological, primal heads cannot even stand for people to discuss Later Dead (this is a sub-group more rabid and virulent than your run-of-the-mill Eighty-Hatie.)
Me? I'm kind of like "whirlwinddancer 65-95": I like it all, just some are more likey than others.

You would be well served to invest an hour or so in this show. I think one time you said you were a younger head, no? So to put this show in perspective, you have to remember what the straight was "groovin'" to then:

(Editor's note: Writer exceeded his cut-n-paste skills and screwed the chart up. The first line is the dates at number one; next, group and song; final line, number of weeks at number 1. Snicker: Please note what song was the longest at the top? Glad I can't be blamed for that.)

December 25 1966 – February 11 1967

Monkees - I'm A Believer

7



February 12 – 25 1967

Buckinghams - Kind Of A Drag

2



February 26 – March 4 1967

Rolling Stones - Ruby Tuesday

1



March 5 – 11 1967

Supremes - Love Is Here and Now You're Gone

1



March 12 – 18 1967

Beatles - Penny Lane

1



March 19 – April 8 1967

Turtles - Happy Together

3



April 9 – May 6 1967

Frank and Nancy Sinatra - Somethin' Stupid

4



May 7 – 13 1967

Supremes - The Happening

1



May 14 – 27 1967

Young Rascals - Groovin'

4 (2)



May 28 – June 10 1967

Aretha Franklin - Respect

2



June 11 – 24 1967

Young Rascals - Groovin'

4 (2)



June 25 – July 22 1967

Association - Windy

4



July 23 – August 12 1967

Doors - Light My Fire

3



August 13 – 19 1967

Beatles - All You Need Is Love

1



August 20 – September 16 1967

Bobbie Gentry - Ode to Billie Joe

4



September 17 – October 14 1967

Box Tops - The Letter

4



October 15 – November 18 1967

Lulu - To Sir with Love

5



November 19 – 25 1967

Strawberry Alarm Clock - Incense and Peppermints

1



November 26 – December 23 1967

Monkees - Daydream Believer

4



December 24 1967 – January 13 1968

Beatles - Hello, Goodbye

3

Have a lovely weekend,
TOOTMO

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 3, 2011 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

cool historical background. And yes I am almost 23. Been listenin to the dead since I was 14-15. Really got it by 16 and have been getting it more and more ever since. Most recently (a few years ago) I jumped the 76 fence into the early 70s, which i never really got. I now dig mostly that. Though I'm with ya, I think its all good. Each year has its stuff. Me and my bud were jammin hard last night to some 1994 goodies. And this morning it was 68. I love the dead!!!!

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jun 3, 2011 5:32pm
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Actually, that's a great bunch of chart toppers compared with the pile of dog shit people are listening to nowadays.

I still have a hard time believing that the guy who co-wrote Incense and Peppermints for Strawberry Alarm Clock is the same guy who is riffing away on Sweet Home Alabama.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jun 2, 2011 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Epic Pre 1972 Morning Dews

pretty difficult to find a Dew that tops the best from '72 (5/11 is just about the most perfect Dew ever performed), but i'm rather partial to the 5/23/69 altho it will probably be the Dark Star that wins you in the end

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-05-23.sbd.gmb.96631.flac16

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 2, 2011 6:04pm
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Larry thinks the Pow-Wow shows are too sloppy ;)

And as great as the Rotterdam Dew is, I think the Munich performance of Morning Dew (first ever pairing with Dark Star) is even better...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-04-28.sbd.miller.106099.flac16

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 2, 2011 7:31pm
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How can you trust Arb, only 4% of his listening is Grateful Dead? He is too busy taping bands in that little state with the big name.

I cringed when i saw this reference. Between this and the earlier suggestion that 2-26-77 is one of the all time greats, i figured i was going to take it on the chin today.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 2, 2011 6:11pm
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I think you are referring to the Strand Lyceum (5-23) show. Which was london. Or maybe Im just lost in a sea of dew.

I personally feel the Europe dews dont hold a candle to the fall dews. Totally different ball park IMO.

Just listened to the dew from 5-11 and downgraded it to a 4 of 5. To each his own i guess...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 2, 2011 6:17pm
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"I think you are referring to the Strand Lyceum (5-23) show."

Obviously I'm not referring to 5/23 because that was the second pairing of Morning Dew and Dark Star.


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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 2, 2011 6:21pm
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hahah. sir yes sir.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 2, 2011 5:55pm
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I am about to listen to that 1972-05-11. I dont recall it. My notes have it at 4 1/2 of 5. As much as i wanna take your word for it, i doubt it will top 1972-09-21, 1972-10-18, or 1972-12-31. 1972-12-31 is really "perfect" IMO.

Tho if you're really partial to having pigpen on the organ, i understand...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jun 2, 2011 6:03pm
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well, i'm definitely no 'expert' so your '72 selections just might be ones i would actually prefer over 5/11, and i would take the time to note down those dates you list for a future listen but i know with certainty, given that less than 4% of my music listening is GD (and that 4% by and large pre-70), i would never get 'round to actually listening, and if i did happen to, it would be so far in the future, i completely would have forgotten about our discussion here; however, best of luck in your endeavor

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 2, 2011 6:14pm
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only 4%!?!?!?! how can i get that to 95% hahaha? I salute you for the suggestion. Check out the 1972-12-31. David Crosby joins in and it is EPIC!!!!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 2, 2011 5:46pm
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4/28/71 might be the very best pre-1972 Morning Dew:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-04-28.sbd.miller.106099.flac16

There is no great "anything" after Brent...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 2, 2011 5:50pm
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Thanks for the suggestion!

OH! c'mon. That is so far from the truth I must now list shit you need to hear...

How about one of Vince's first shows. 1990-09-12 (Althea > Let it Grow).

The Road Trips release from MSG! Have you heard that China > Rider!!?!?!?!?! or that Truckin? Dear god.

or this Morning Dew 1992-03-23 (heartfelt amazingness, likely the last great Dew (i hope im wrong))

or this Music > Sugaree > Music (1994-07-02)